what size chuck advice for starter lathe guy

Giorgio

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only have a screw on 6 inch 3 jaw chuck on the recently aquired 1044... looking at getting a screw on 6 inch 4 jaw from tools for cheap.

no face plate yet so think i would get the 8 inch screw on face plate as well..

pricing seems decent at $140 w back plate for the chuck and $100 face plate

are there better options for this beginner?




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reversable jaws on the 4 jaw ? i think some are not. i think thats important. . . 6" is a decent size for most things. if you aquire the knack , a four jaw is almost as fast as a 3 jay for setting up, and a lot more accurate. i think its hard to hold a 3 jaw to much better than .003 even on a good day. just my old opinion.
 
" i think its hard to hold a 3 jaw to much better than .003 even on a good day."



I've seen that remark bandied about quite a bit on the Internet, but haven't seen one guy show it yet.
I've been running machines for a few years, and even old, dinosaur, 3 jaws; were never anything like that. Runout was never over .0002-.002 on any 3 jaw. Makes me wonder if they were including the stock not being concentric?

My current lathe has a Chinese chuck, and concentricity was within .0003 right out of the crate. Tried it on several sizes, and types, of stock.


Maybe all the bad 3 jaws are infecting this Country.:dunno: I've run some bar stock that was up to .002 eccentric. It would vary down the bar length.
 
I just purchased a 11x26 ( chinese )from wholesale tools and the 3 jaw right out of the crate is .0003 -.0006 but it has not even been used yet
we will see this time next year. my 9x20 still holds .002 after 8 years
steve
 
ok,maybe i was not completely correct with my comment. im talking about taking a hunk of round out of the chuck after turning it and re-installing it without marking where it came from, and expecting it to be concentric (is that the word ?) my chucks are great, but the material does not end up the same when i do it.. ... maybe its just me. . .
 
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it's not just you david if i do the same thing and put it back in 180 out i'll get a ridge to get it back the closest you would need to turn between centers
steve
 
Re: what size 4 jaw chuck advice for starter lathe guy

what thread is your spindle?
steve
Thanks for the replies... I checked eBay in Canada....and they are mostly US sellers... Nothing cheaper

Yes the jaws are reversible
My spindle thread is 2-1/4 8 tpi
The taper is MT5 but I do not know how to check that yet

I think a new chuck is probably less risky than used... No?​
 
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I guess I havnt used a good three jaw chuck over the yrs. To get from
.0002 to 002 out of a 3 jaw. Cant say I have used one. For the most part, even when testing with a known good piece of material, Ive allways found .005 to .008 to be the general. Im not talkin about any hi end chucks here, just run of the mill chucks, and ones that have some mileage on them.

I have used a few set true chucks that get the run out down low, but if I have to play around with those, Id rather stick to the 4-jaw. I havnt ever found a 3 jaw over my life time that I could remove the work piece, and re chuck the part and not turn a step. And yes this is with marking the part to put it back in the same spot.

I dont think Id ever ask a 3- jaw to do accurate work, unless the job could be start to finish in a single chucking. Really, how often is that? The 3 jaw is fine for some stuff, but I would count on getting accurate parts on it alone. I have several 3 jaw chucks in my collection from 3-inch to 12 inch but when it comes to making accurate parts, the 4-jaw is the way to go.

I know, the 4-jaw takes a few mins to get it dialed in, and the 3- jaw is much quicker. The set true chucks can be dialed in , but for the time it takes, the 4 jaw will do the same thing, and have a better grip as well. The 4 jaw will get you down to .0002 easy.

I suppose it a matter of how accurate you want your parts. Over the yrs, I wont even use the 3 jaw on the rotary table. I perfer the ability of the the 4- jaw to dial the work piece in. Im not a big fan of 3 jaw chucks,,cant ya tell? The 4 jaw does seem to be a pain to set up for the first while, but you should force yourself to use one till you get good at it. Once that happens, those 3 jaw chucks will sit collecting dust. The ability to dial you work piece in to the absolute min run out will only make more accurate parts, and a better machinist out of you.
 
giorgio
here is a 8" backing plate you could make into a face plate for $62.00 including shipping on ebay
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steve

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