What am I missing?

billygal

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I'm new to machining, so I might be missing something, but this doesn't make any sense. I looked at the prices and I can get a full 2 axis DRO for $200 tor my lathe. That includes scales, the DRO box and the mounting bits. Or, for $130 for the TouchDRO and $150 for a tablet and $30 for a tablet holder and $200 for the scales I can build a DIY DRO. I can't find anything about china DROs having any bugs. Everybody says they work great. TouchDRO has a pages and pages full of bug reports on this forum alone.
So I can pay overt $500 for a buggy DRO that I have to build myself or $200 for a working DRO that is built by a factory and is ready to go. I doubt a DRO that I build will be as good as a factory made DRO too.


Billy G.
 
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I'm new to machining, so I might be missing something, but this doesn't make any sense. I looked at the prices and I can get a full 2 axis DRO for $200 tor my lathe. That includes scales, the DRO box and the mounting bits. Or, for $130 for the TouchDRO and $150 for a tablet and $30 for a tablet holder and $200 for the scales I can build a DIY DRO. I can't find anything about china DROs having any bugs. Everybody says they work great. TouchDRO has a pages and pages full of bug reports on this forum alone.
So I can pay overt $500 for a buggy DRO that I have to build myself or $200 for a working DRO that is built by a factory and is ready to go. I doubt a DRO that I build will be as good as a factory made DRO too.
This champ must have the best marketing department ever. You are not only building the DRO. He can't even be bothered to test it, so you are all his unpaid testers writing the software for him. Do you not realize that it's almost always cheaper to just buy the thing than to build it yourself? What am I missing?

Billy G.
I think you are being quite unfair. I don't have a TouchDRO, although I have looked into it. I think it is a great niche product, and offers a lot of features that are unavailable on "factory DRO's". I think it is far from buggy. I think it is commendable that the bug reporting is open, which is far from what I understand about "those China DRO's". You apparently have not read other threads here about factory DRO's that cannot even keep up with powered X drives. Yuriy is a commercial sponsor here and I think he provides far more service to even non-customers, than any Far East derived DRO product. I for one, am grateful that TouchDRO exists. I believe Yuriy's responsiveness to bug reports is commendable. Try reporting a bug on your Chinese DRO - let us know how it goes...

By the way, your first post should be in new member's area, introducing yourself and your machines, not bashing a good decent commercial sponsor of this website. Just my two cents. Introduce yourself in the right forum...
 
What am I missing?

That an aggressive and insulting approach is unlikely to help you?

That having zero history on a forum will give your first post zero credibility?

That touchDRO has never claimed to be the cheapest option?

The quirks of using those cheapest options?

That you fail to accurately price the scales alone relative to a full cheapest-option DRO?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@billygal as others have said an introduction post is the best way to get started here. I'd suggest you do that first before you post any more.
Feel free to reach out to me via DM if you have any questions.
 
You have to compare the features of that $200 DRO you found. Does it have a graphical display? Does it do things like bolt circles and hole patterns and give you a scaled display of your workspace on a color hi-res screen? Does it have the ability to store a tool offset library, tachometer input? Edge finder input? Saved position workspaces? Will it ever get any new features? What's the support like for problems and upgrades?

It's true that TouchDRO isn't the cheapest option out there, you can buy those glorified digital caliper scales with the remote displays for $65/axis, but if you look for something that has a similar feature set, I think you'll find it's actually a bargain for what you're getting. Yes, it's more of a DIY solution, but many enjoy having a hand in building the tools they use.

Also regarding many of the bug reports you're seeing recently on the forum. Those are largely a result of beta testing that's going on with the upcoming release. So I wouldn't consider those as bugs against the product. If you look for issues with the current stable version, you will find much fewer complaints.

All that being said, if you'd rather have a factory built solution, no one's going to give you any guff for that.
 
Thank you everybody for pitching in (and kind words).
Billy, let me give you my 2 cents worth:
To make this a fair comparison, let's ignore the scales. Basically any scale that you can use with a Chinese DRO, you can use with TouchDRO. A more sensible comparison is between the DRO console itself and TouchDRO + a tablet. A Chinese DRO you can find for about $60 on eBay these days; around $100 if you get it from USA-based supplier with some semblance of support. TouchDRO will cost you about $250-$300 if you buy the adapter from me and get a name brand tablet. For the price you get:

1. Quality - TouchDRO adapter for glass scales is built as an industrial unit (ISO9000 factory, IPC Class 2 assembly, industrial grade components, no electrolytic caps, and solder alloy that won't crack from vibration). You can't get that with any Chinese DRO at any price point as far as I know

2. Performance - most Chinese DROs use electronics that were cutting edge in early 1980's. The $100 units are basically running the same chip as Arduino mega. It works OK unless you move the apron too fast or have fast power feed; it will miss pulses otherwise and over time accumulate error that you won't notice unless you are looking for it. The processor I use in the current generation TouchDRO adapters has hardware encoders. On my site I list max pulse rate of 250KHz (around 250mm/second with 1-micron scale; in theory it can go to about 32MHz, but I don't have a way to measure this, so trying to be conservative.

3. Functionality - Chinese DROs are perfectly adequate when your work style is "zero out the axis, move by 2", drill a hole, zero out the axis ...". More complex things are pretty clunky due to low-fidelity display. If you work with sub-datum memory, tool offset memory, want to quickly indicate a part, etc. graphical user interface is factors of magnitude easier to use. On top of that, you get a completely new way to work in the graphical projection view that shows you the sub-datum coordinates visually, will select the closest one when you move the spindle (hands-free), lets you change cutter radius compensation direction with one click (and shows the relative cutter size and direction visually)

4. Support - I don't have "warranty policy". If you purchase a unit from me, I will take care of you, period, regardless of how long ago you got it. It it's something you broke, I can most likely fix the board. If it's my fault, I will make it right. This week I had a customer who bought a board in early 2021 and one of the inputs failed. I dropped off his replacement (upgraded) unit at USPS yesterday. Try getting any support from an eBay seller after the 30-day buyer protection period runs out (or, for that matter, during the 30 days period as well). I get emails daily asking if I can help figure out scale pinout because the seller can't provide the most basic documentation for the thing they sell.

Those are the objective measures (tell me if I'm wrong. I'm obviously biased here...).
A much less quantifiable, but I think very important, is the fact that I built TouchDRO based on feedback from the community. I'm a "paying sponsor" here specifically so I can have a place to bounce ideas off other hobby machinists. There are many features that were added based on someone's suggestion or idea. For example, idea for support for touch probe came from a forum member here, and in a thread right below this I'm chatting with a forum member about some ideas to make lathe mode more capable.

Finally, only about 1% of TouchDROs in the wild use hardware they purchased from me. I make the software, firmware and circuit design available for free, so the other 99% just build their units from commonly available parts. Latest version can be built for about $25 from scratch, or $50 from a DIY kit. Add $50 for a basic tablet, and you are in the price range of a cheap Chinese DRO.

Hope this makes sense
Yuriy
 
I am glad I read this. The support makes me want to get on board.
I had never looked into touch dro, I install new and used units.. so I have for my machines but I had no idea your software had so many features.
HEY WELCOME ABOARD BILLGAL!
Some people just make a grand entrance..
 
I've got to agree; the cheap ones are sloooow to respond. My mill has both a professional XY readout and cheap ones on the Z and quill. It's a chalk and cheese comparison...

That said, any DRO beats -no- DRO

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I have a Sony and a Mitutoyo DRO on 2 of my mills. They are no more accurate than a Touch DRO or an offshore one, but they don't have a velocity problem...

I am shocked at what you can get for so little these days. For around 300$ either way you can get a Touch DRO or an offshore one that will work for many hobby needs, Back when I bought my Sony DRO it cost more than the mill, by a long shot.
 
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