Unnecessarily shiny guide pulley - crab line/pot puller

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The last few years I've been bartering with neighbors more. One of which is the guy we buy our dirt/gravel/etc from for multiple projects - as well as borrow the occasional equipment.

Something he asked me about roughly a year ago was making a new front guide pulley for his line puller that he uses for crab fishing. This was originally designed to pull plain ropes/lines or lift crab/lobster pots. However, his crabbing uses ~1000ft lines with 6" bungees every few feet that hold bait (chicken necks). Those bungees tend to get fouled up in the front guide pulley. His request to me was at some point to make something twice as big in all dimensions, with a flat-bottom groove

Not this exact model but this general design:

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He had a pile of scrap on his property including a pile of aluminum, and gave me this 7x28" piece of aluminum round stock so I could take a slice off it to make this.

Here's the stock as well as the original pulley:
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My horizontal bandsaw has been a bit neglected, its coolant evaporated and gunked everything up. I used this project as a reason to clean it out, replace a couple cracking hoses, and replace the seized/corroded pump.

Also I swapped in a 4-6 TP blade and then took off the 4.5" slice to start the part.


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Turned the 4-jaw jaws around and chucked up in the Chipmaster to start clean-up. I needed to reduce the OD to ~ 6.5" to clear the carriage, so that set the target OD of the part

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Started hogging out material from the middle. None of my TCMT insert tooling was a great geometry, in hindsight maybe I should have use a HSS tool for the initial shaping


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I was pushing my feed rate and spindle rpm to maximize material removal, which was generating a decent amount of smoke from various oils - especially when I was applying WD-40 to test what speeds/feeds I would want for final surface finish. I strung my smoke eater over from the welding table which helped cut contain that quite a bit.
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Lots of swarf on the floor, about 4 lbs by the time the project was done:
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The horizontal saw cuts pretty true, s most of the challenge here was clamping the part cleanly and truly to remove the puck of extra material I left myself to work with originally.
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To face the remaining side, I made some soft jaw wrappers out of some aluminum flashing I found in my scrap pile.
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A bit of cleanup and the final outside profile was done. The chipmaster can pull 3000 rpm and it only took 1200 rpm and light feeds to get some unnecessarily great surface finishes
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The last step was some weight reduction. I originally was going to try and bore around a hub on the lathe, but didn't find a decent tool setup to plunge without rubbing, and didn't grind a HSS tool. Instead I lad out a circular hole pattern, and can always do something different in the future.

Alternating 1/2 and 3/4 holes to leave enough web for structure and a grease passage. Started with a small pilot, then through drilled with something like 1/4" (whatever I had that was sharpest around 1/4" size). Then the 1/2 or 3/4 final bit.

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Took a decent amount of time, but got faster as I went and succeeded in removing a bunch of material

The floor looked a lot like this too:


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The last feature was adding a grease zerk. I could not find a reliable way to drill at an angle and mount the zerk in an accessible fashion, so I opted for two intersecting 1/8 passages with the zerk recessed in the side.

I didn't take a couple pictures of the first steps - drilled the 1/8" passage in from the side first at the drill press, aligned with one of the spokes to be able to cross-drill and meet the spindle bore.

I decided to bias the hole to one side, to leave options for how I would potentially remove more weight in the future or need to change the profile of the guide groove.

The end of this passage will be sealed with a set screw, and I'd rather have that end up in the taper/side than risk the horizontal path being exposed by future changes to the part, requiring a new greasing solution. The only downside is this means grease won't be applied to the center of the spindle bore, but that's not a big deal - and can be fixed with a pressed-in steel bushing that brings the flow of grease to the middle (something that may be added to this part in the future anyway)


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The sketchiest part of this is the corner I backed myself into for workholding and aligning the longer passage. It had 3 constraints:
- Meet the horizontal passage
- Fit in one of the "spokes" between the weight-reducing holes -- DO NOT break into one of those holes
- Meet the center bore

To hold it, I set it on some aluminum flashing in a t-slot in the mill table (to keep the corners of the t-slot from leaving a dent in the OD of the part). Then put a 3/8" threaded rod through the middle and threaded my 1/2/3 blocks onto each end. Then used the strap clamp set to pull down on the 123 blocks. This worked surprisingly well.

Prior to mounting it I drew a center line with a pencil that should be where the 3 criteria above align.

Once loosely set up in the mill, I used a level to sight the part in parallel with the line in question, then moved in line with the mill spindle as well.

In my drill bits drawers I found a few brand new extended-length chip-clearing 1/8" bits, which were perfect for giving me the best chance at reducing wander in this operation.

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My phone battery died so I don't have pictures of a few uninteresting steps to install the grease zerk. Almost all were on the axis of the horizontal passage:
- Plunged a 1/2" 2fl end mill to give clearance for the zerk and the socket to install it
- 3/4" drill bit to relieve around the zerk for a grease gun to fit onto the zerk
- Tap drill for 1/4-28 (the zerk is 1/4-28 taper thread)
- tap
- chamfer

Final pics:

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Also the extra end of the grease passage was sealed with a 10-24 set screw, and I packed silicone paste over it to try and keep salt water out -- not that it should ever need to be removed.

Closing thoughts and thoughts on what I would do differently and what might happen in the future:
  • I feel like some luck was involved in having that last long drilling operation for the grease passage come out correctly. it hit the hotizontal passage correctly, and hit the center bore straight-on -- without touching the weight-reducing holes on either side of the spoke. At least some of the luck was that I had some brand new 1/8" extended-length chip-clearing twist drills on hand from some past auction
  • This was a great project to explore the capabilities of my new lathe (actually had it for 3 years but this is the first significant project since I repaired it in January with @jwmelvin )
  • This is nicer-looking than it has any right to be
  • I now know about the tool profile needed for plunging into a face to start boring like this. No big deal
  • The remnants of my attempts at boring for weight reducing meant my chamfers on the big holes didn't come out quite right, oh well
  • A future stainless bushing in the middle will be a nice addition for mechanical properties and grease distribution ("bobbin" shaped so grease can be distributed closer to the center or otherwise symmetrically)

My friend will be bending up the bracket/hanger for this since has a full brake for his business and some stainless stock.

Once this gets some trial usages we may do further weight reduction or modify the profile. Also I suspect we'll need to do something to add texture to the middle so the rope can bite a bit. Maybe rough it up and add some rubberizing spray of some kind.

Thanks for reading
 
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Fun and unusual projects. Exactly why many of us have machines.
Good work!
 
The last few years I've been bartering with neighbors more. One of which is the guy we buy our dirt/gravel/etc from for multiple projects - as well as borrow the occasional equipment.

Something he asked me about roughly a year ago was making a new front guide pulley for his line puller that he uses for crab fishing. This was originally designed to pull plain ropes/lines or lift crab/lobster pots. However, his crabbing uses ~1000ft lines with 6" bungees every few feet that hold bait (chicken necks). Those bungees tend to get fouled up in the front guide pulley. His request to me was at some point to make something twice as big in all dimensions, with a flat-bottom groove

Not this exact model but this general design:
great work Brick.. one comment, with all those shaving chips, you can't stand there.. so why not just take a metal can and put it there and have the chips go right into the can... That's what I do. saves a lot of cleanup and I don't have to get caught up a bunch of times in the mess.
 
great work Brick.. one comment, with all those shaving chips, you can't stand there.. so why not just take a metal can and put it there and have the chips go right into the can... That's what I do. saves a lot of cleanup and I don't have to get caught up a bunch of times in the mess.
Thanks for the suggestion, I did attempt that somewhat. They were highly unpredictable in where they were landing, efforts to corral them were unsuccessful. Most of what you see piled up was kicked/pushed with my feet into that pile from the general operator area where they landed. I am using cheap hobby-grade TCMT inserts probably meant for steel or nonspecific materials. Maybe at some point I'll pick up some with geometry better-suited to aluminum so that maybe could break a chip or get better behavior in general
 
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Thanks for the suggestion, I did attempt that somewhat. They were highly unpredictable in where they were landing, efforts to corral them were unsuccessful. Most of what you see piled up was kicked/pushed with my feet into that pile from the general operator area where they landed. I am using cheap hobby-grade TCMT inserts probably meant for steel or nonspecific materials. Maybe at some point I'll pick up some with geometry better-suited to aluminum so that maybe could break a chip or get better behavior in general
Good luck with that. AL is stringy, it takes the right speed, feed and tool to break that chip. I get it to work sometimes, but not usually.
 
great work Brick.. one comment, with all those shaving chips, you can't stand there.. so why not just take a metal can and put it there and have the chips go right into the can... That's what I do. saves a lot of cleanup and I don't have to get caught up a bunch of times in the mess.
and then melt it to cast some more stock.
 
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