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Source for (oddball?) flat sprockets?

Discussion in 'QUESTIONS & ANSWERS (Get Help Fast Here!)' started by gr8legs, Jul 29, 2017.

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  1. gr8legs

    gr8legs Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    A couple of years ago I am pretty sure I found some flat chain sprocket blanks without a drilled center hole, just a located center drill point so I could bore out to the shaft size I wanted.

    The sprockets I find now all are already center bored for the smallest shaft size the manufacturer thinks is appropriate - in my case I'm looking for a 40-series roller chain sprocket with 15 teeth. They come pre-bored for 1/2" and that's way bigger than I want.

    Bushing down is not a great option because my plan is to bore to accommodate threading the center of the sprocket and then securing it to the shaft with a jam nut on each side. Can't really do that if I want a 5/16" shaft and the hole is already 1/2".

    Has anyone seen a source for un-bored sprockets or am I imagining that I found them a couple of years ago?

    Thanks in advance

    Stu
     
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    Ulma Doctor Infinitely Curious Active Member

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    Hi Stu,
    unfortunately i only see 1/2" bores from my suppliers :(
    i suppose you could get a standard 15t #40 sprocket and press fit a slug of cast iron or a steel of choice to a 3/4" or 1" bore #40 sprocket.
    bore and face it to length.
    you could then indicate, then bore the center to dimension and thread the center accordingly.
    it's the next best thing to a fixed bore of the right size.
    maybe others may have another suggestion!
    all the best :)
     
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    DaveInMi United States Active Member Active Member

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    #40 chain is capable of a lot more torque than a 5/16 shaft can tolerate. What is the application? Maybe there is an other solution that would present less problems. Would machining a hub to fit 5/16 to 1/2 with screws through the flange work?
     
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    Sorry don't know a source for such sprockets. I don't know much about your projected application. No offence intended but sometimes when I couldn't find the parts to make something my way its because there is a better way to go about it. How wide is the chain? Do you do any welding?
     
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    Here's a shaft hub that would probably work. They don't offer one in 5/16" but do have it in metric 8 mm bore but it is out of stock.

    https://shop.sdp-si.com/catalog/?brand=sdp&cid=p372

    Here's the inch selections that they supply,too. Again, no 5/16 bore

    https://shop.sdp-si.com/catalog/?brand=sdp&cid=p932

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    Here's another one that will fit the bill perfectly. You not going to like the price on it!!!

    http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/_/Trantorque-Mini-5/16/?s=ZnwyNzI0

    I'm sure if you look around and check with a local bearing distributor, you could get it at a much lessor price.
     
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    Thanks all for the pointers - apparently I was dreaming when I thought I got un-drilled sprockets two years ago. Or maybe they were bored to 1/2" and I cobbled together what I have now which is rather ugly but functional in a hillbilly way.

    The application is a cuckoo clock that the hands are driven by a pair of stepper motors through a 300:1 worm-drive and then a 2:1 chain sprocket drive to the hand shafts.

    This current incarnation is a 'get-by' proof of concept. I figure I will use cogged belts in the finished design (quieter) but those pulleys are four times the price of simple chain sprockets and I need to get the design parameters tied down and tested before going that route.

    I am getting in to 3D printing very soon and the actual cog belt parts will (I hope) be 3D printed after I crawl up the learning curve.

    Stu
     
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    Make one...

    Just get a 1/2 bolt and center drill it with your lathe for the shaft size.

    Then drill from side on a flat for a set screw to lock to shaft.

    Face of extra material from both head of bolt and nut body of bolt to make a bushing with locking set screw.

    If you want to thread to shaft then thread the above assembly.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk
     
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    Go down to your local bicycle shop and ask them for a old used sprocket the size that you want. They will most likely will give it to you free. Use that as a pattern on I seem to remember 3/16" flat stock. Add chain (careful, there are 2 different widths). Almost went that way, turned out that I could bore out the sprocket to fit the hub that I turned (in this case 1")
     
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    With a rotary table you could mill out the sprocket itself. Even can be done by layout like us old guys use to do. With a couple dowel pins an easy set up to drill the holes to mill the points after .
     
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    If you have a dro that does bolt circle you can make the sprocket. If you have an indexer or rotary table can make sprocket and timing pulleys

    Here is the info to make a #40 sprocket.
    https://ablproducts.com/40-chain-sprocket.html
     
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    I remember finding a lot of information about making sprockets and timing belt pulleys on bicycle websites many years ago. But don't know what size chain that is. Maybe 20?
     
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    I would just weld up the 1/2" hole and redrill to what you need.
     
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    Am I missing something? A bushing will not work? 5/16” will fit into 1/2”? If not, then just make the 1/2” hole bigger. And then Loctite an appropriate bushing. If you are only turning clock hands for a cuckoo clock. Then low torque needs and mischievous accuracy is all you need…Dave
     

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