1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. PLEASE: Read the FORUM RULES BEFORE registering!

    Dismiss Notice

Pm-727m Powered Z Axis

Discussion in 'PRECISION-MATTHEWS' started by 3dshooter80, Apr 1, 2016.

  1. 3dshooter80

    3dshooter80 United States Master of Metal Malpractice Active Member

    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    63
    City:
    Raleigh
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    Used a discarded gear motor and parts from a liquid transfer pump to fabricate a power Z axis on my 727.

     
    RIMSPOKE, brav65, navav2002 and 2 others like this.
  2. Trent.R

    Trent.R United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    Fort myers
    State:
    Florida

    -Return to Top-

    Nicely done.
     
    3dshooter80 likes this.
  3. Silverbullet

    Silverbullet Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    879
    Trophy Points:
    113
    City:
    Marlton
    State:
    New Jersey

    -Return to Top-

    Nice and easy , got to love when things work the way you want.
     
    3dshooter80 likes this.
  4. jer

    jer Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    28
    City:
    SE
    State:
    Colorado

    -Return to Top-

    Thanks Lee, I appreciate the video.
     
    3dshooter80 likes this.
  5. jer

    jer Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    28
    City:
    SE
    State:
    Colorado

    -Return to Top-

    I have a tread mill motor but need reversing switch, hopefully the speed control will work. I like your power Z. :grin:
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2016
    3dshooter80 likes this.
  6. 3dshooter80

    3dshooter80 United States Master of Metal Malpractice Active Member

    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    63
    City:
    Raleigh
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    Well, that didn't work as planned - here's a follow up. :)
     
    navav2002 and Cmesler like this.
  7. jer

    jer Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    28
    City:
    SE
    State:
    Colorado

    -Return to Top-

    Hey Lee, I found a 12 volt power supply in my shop. A few years back I replaced the "converter/charger" in my old 5th wheel trailer. It puts out 12 volts DC @ 50 amps total max. That should power the Z if I do get a 727. LOL...
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2016
  8. 3dshooter80

    3dshooter80 United States Master of Metal Malpractice Active Member

    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    63
    City:
    Raleigh
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    Yep, I'm pretty sure 50 amps will do it. :)
     
  9. jdell42

    jdell42 United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    Raleigh
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I found your youtube channel and watched several videos... all well done. Thanks!

    I have a PM727 and plan on doing something similar for the x and z axis and this is very helpful.
     
    3dshooter80 likes this.
  10. talvare

    talvare United States Ted A H-M Supporter-Premium

    Likes Received:
    320
    Trophy Points:
    63
    City:
    Sacramento
    State:
    California

    -Return to Top-

    Very nice job Lee. I just wanted to mention one thing. Some of those Bodine gear motors are sensitive to mounting position. Make sure the gears are getting adequate contact with the gear lube. (but you probably already knew that !)
    Ted
     
    3dshooter80 likes this.
  11. jdell42

    jdell42 United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    Raleigh
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    After I got my new lathe up and running I made a coupler and installed a geared power window motor for the Z Lift. The power window motor needs a few more pounds of torque to raise the head. No problems lowering it.

    Lee any idea what the torque specs are for that motor?
     
  12. Muskt

    Muskt United States Home Shop Tinkerer Active Member

    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    43
    City:
    Greenwood
    State:
    Delaware

    -Return to Top-

    I follow most of the threads here, and feel that I may be able to add something to this one.

    A few years ago, while still living in Alaska, I acquired a Green Mill. It was close in size to the PM932. It did not have powered Z axis. I soon tired of that game, & decided to fix it. So, I started an extensive search for suitable "stuff" to create a lifting device for it. I eventually stumbled onto Burden Surplus Center--- http://www.surpluscenter.com/. Next, I spent a lot of time studying their selection of gear motors. I finally settled on one (no longer listed on their site) that operated on 230VAC. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the specs (torque & RPM) for it. I believe it cost about $79 + shipping to Alaska. I also purchased a "Lovejoy type) coupling. As you can see in the included pics, it is pretty beefy. It lifted the head with no problems. If I were to guess, I would estimate 4-6 inches per minute--not smoking fast. Being that it was 230 volts, I just wired it in from the line-in side of the VFD. I placed an up/down switch next to the VFD, & it served me very well till I sold it & moved out of Alaska.

    Hopefully the pics & link to Burden will be of some value to you.

    Jerry in Delaware

    Power Lift.jpg Mill + Table.jpg Controls.jpg
     
  13. 3dshooter80

    3dshooter80 United States Master of Metal Malpractice Active Member

    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    63
    City:
    Raleigh
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    Very nice!


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  14. T Bredehoft

    T Bredehoft Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

    Likes Received:
    1,328
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Central Ohio
    City:
    St. Louisville
    State:
    Ohio

    -Return to Top-

    I'm using a Ford Windstar (or whatever) wiper motor, 12 volt coupled to the head crank shaft, at the top of the column to raise and lower the head. No problems, the motor never gets hot, but it only runs a bit at a time.
     
  15. rbtNmke

    rbtNmke United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    milwaukee
    State:
    Wisconsin

    -Return to Top-

    Hello gang. I wish to add a power lift for my "about to be delivered PM727 w/DRO". (Hopefully Monday :)). I would like to know the specs of a successful conversion. Perhaps RPM/ torque specs??? Is there a specific wiper motor that gets the job done??? I see wiper motors are very reasonable on Fleabay, just wondering if they have enough umph and whether they are happy turning in reverse.
    Thank you in advance
    Robert in Milwaukee
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2016
  16. Muskt

    Muskt United States Home Shop Tinkerer Active Member

    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    43
    City:
    Greenwood
    State:
    Delaware

    -Return to Top-

  17. Muskt

    Muskt United States Home Shop Tinkerer Active Member

    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    43
    City:
    Greenwood
    State:
    Delaware

    -Return to Top-

    OOOPSSS!!!
    I should have done a bit of looking before pressing the "post" button.
    I didn't realize that the 727 was 115V.
    Sorry about that.

    Jerry in Delaware
     
  18. rbtNmke

    rbtNmke United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    milwaukee
    State:
    Wisconsin

    -Return to Top-

    hey jer, thanks for the response. (yep, I should of stated 115v or 12v). looking at the specs of your linked gear-motor...its rated at 28rpm. is 28 sufficient??? I don't have the mill in front of me (as its now sitting in a Milwaukee shipping terminal. yaaaaa!), but I was guessing 75-100ish rpm was necessary. thoughts please.
    TIA
     
  19. Muskt

    Muskt United States Home Shop Tinkerer Active Member

    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    43
    City:
    Greenwood
    State:
    Delaware

    -Return to Top-

    I think it might be a bit slow, but that lends it to more power for the lift and slow to be able to fine adjust--if necessary. The one I had in Alaska was also slow, but unless in a hurry, it worked very well.

    Jerry in Delaware
     
  20. T Bredehoft

    T Bredehoft Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

    Likes Received:
    1,328
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Central Ohio
    City:
    St. Louisville
    State:
    Ohio

    -Return to Top-

    My Ford Windstar wiper motor runs my PM25 Z axis at 6 inches per minute. I did not put a speed control on it so I wouldn't be tempted to use it for feed. I'ts a bit faster coming down, but not a lot.
     
  21. rbtNmke

    rbtNmke United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    milwaukee
    State:
    Wisconsin

    -Return to Top-

    hello tom, I think ill pop for the ford windstar option (via fleabay). if you have any other tips or suggestions feel free to suggest!
    jerry and tom, thank you for your input.
    robt in mke
     
  22. jdell42

    jdell42 United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    Raleigh
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    This is the motor I used. A few things I don't like about it.. even at 100 RPM it is still too slow for my liking. Second it draws a lot of current (16A), which was not a problem for me as I had a supply available, but I had to use a bigger supply than I wanted to. Also it works but could have a bit more torque... a 10 N-M motor would be better.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LCUCEJG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
  23. Buggy Chief

    Buggy Chief United States Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    18
    City:
    Waxhaw
    State:
    North Carolina

    -Return to Top-

    That would be awesome Lee. Really get tired of cranking that handle:) Thanks for the help!
     
  24. Livnpaintball

    Livnpaintball United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    Dfw
    State:
    Texas

    -Return to Top-

    I need to figure out a good compact system for this.
     
  25. neilking

    neilking United States Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    8

    -Return to Top-

    I used a conveyor oven motor and controller. The gear ratio is 600:1. I had to increase the final drive and run the motor at 3000 rpm[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk
     
    tweinke likes this.
  26. neilking

    neilking United States Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    8

    -Return to Top-

    Sorry not near as nice as a PM mill

    Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk
     
  27. tweinke

    tweinke United States Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

    Likes Received:
    279
    Trophy Points:
    63
    City:
    Fairmont
    State:
    Minnesota

    -Return to Top-

    Looks like that works well!
     
  28. neilking

    neilking United States Active Member Active Member

    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    8

    -Return to Top-

    It does work well. But it doesn't need the good controller as i just run it at max speed. I think a gear ratio of 100: 1 for direct drive would be ideal. But i had this stuff laying around, so the price was right.

    Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk
     
  29. Livnpaintball

    Livnpaintball United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    Dfw
    State:
    Texas

    -Return to Top-

    I wish there was a bolt on option, i guess I'm lazy. Looks like most people are having to use some sort of gear reduction. It would be nice to have a compact unit like what's on the X axis feeds.
     
  30. Livnpaintball

    Livnpaintball United States Iron Registered Member

    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    3
    City:
    Dfw
    State:
    Texas

    -Return to Top-

    So I'm thinking of using the parts from either a ATV winch for D.C. Or a mini Hoist for ac power. What do you guys think?
     

Share This Page