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New Member From Langley Bc Ready To Start Lathe & Mill Shopping

Kiwi Canuck

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Quick update, I have not completed my order yet, Matt is still confirming costs to ship to Vancouver BC versus Lynden WA. Hope to get that info by Monday.

I have also been flip flopping back and forward on the machines.

I've spent the last week reading and researching both the Taiwan and Chinese Machines, taking my time to re-read everything now that I am able to absorb the info better.

Just to complete one thing on my to-do list before the end of the month, I did go out and buy a welder, I got a Miller 215 Multimatic Mig/Tig & Stick machine, runs on 110 or 220.

Got it up and running yesterday and ran a few beads just to make sure it worked, which it did. I've not welded in 25 years or so, but I did OK for my first time on a Mig machine.

I didn't buy the optional TIG torch setup but will probably get it tomorrow as Miller have a rebate program that I can take advantage of and get a few $$ off.

Hope to have something to report back shortly on my order with PM.

David


PS Tmarks, thanks for the response, I know about those trailers as many in the Security Safe business use them, not sure if Sunbelt rent them here in Canada but will check if I need one. (we usually just get Boom & Scissor lifts from them)
 

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Have you Tig welded before ? If not, i'd hold off on the torch option , use the mig while you learn your mill and lathe . There is quite a learning curve with Tig . Would be like buying a guitar and expecting to know how to play it ...no, you've got to put seat time in .
Same with TIG . Give some serious thought to that PM935 if you can swing it . And two guys can lift and set any of those mills with an inexpensive 2 Ton engine crane and some GOOD straps. Plan a whole day to break down the pallet, clean the machine, etc . Good luck with your mill and Lathes !
 

Kiwi Canuck

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Have you Tig welded before ? If not, i'd hold off on the torch option , use the mig while you learn your mill and lathe . There is quite a learning curve with Tig . Would be like buying a guitar and expecting to know how to play it ...no, you've got to put seat time in .
Same with TIG . Give some serious thought to that PM935 if you can swing it . And two guys can lift and set any of those mills with an inexpensive 2 Ton engine crane and some GOOD straps. Plan a whole day to break down the pallet, clean the machine, etc . Good luck with your mill and Lathes !
Subway, no I haven't TIG welded before but one of my employees is an ex welder and will help me get setup once I'm ready.

I will have quite a bit too learn over the next few months just getting up to speed with the new equipment, fortunate to have some friends who are capable and can assist with the basics as I get setup.

I have been able to pick up most trade related skills reasonably quickly over the years and feel confident with welding, but understand TIG welding requires a lot more skill than MIG does.

Thanks for the vote for the PM935 as well.



Cheers,

David
 
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Kiwi Canuck

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I placed my order with QMT today for the PM935TS and PM1340GT, both Single Phase machines.

They will be delivered to Vancouver BC directly from Taiwan.

So I'm now done with the research part unless I change my mind and upgrade to 3 phase or variable speed on either of the machines.

Estimated delivery is a 2-3 months, but based on previous postings it could be more, I'm OK with that but hope to have them by mid March 2017.

David
 

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Congratulations David, those look like great choices.

I don't know that I could stand the wait!

-brino
 

Kiwi Canuck

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awesome choices.

What kind of an advantage does that give you for import duties? It is great that Matt is able to arrange that.
As far as I can tell duty into USA is about 5% and Canada has Zero duty for these machines from Asia. (Matt does not get the duty back when he re-exports them)

There are other costs involved to have machines imported directly into Canada (CSA Labeling) but still a little less overall.

David.
 

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I guess I ordered mine at a good time ... I placed the order thursday and requested it be delivered on Tues , my day off . Tuesday afternoon she was here . I'm only about 6 hrs from Matt ...I feel for ya, having to wait til MARCH !
Here is a link to a guy i bought lube from . He will make any combination of sizes/bottles you want...but your local buds might have a place for you to get it too .

These are the lubes for that mill , can use these or other brands equivalents
http://r.ebay.com/wmFduq

Good luck with it and welcome to the forum !
 

Kiwi Canuck

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Subwayrocket, thanks for the link on the lubricants and yes March is a ways off but I've got my hands full with plenty to do and learn before the machines show up.

Congratulations on getting your new machine, that is a quick delivery time.

David.
 

Kiwi Canuck

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I've been busy since I ordered my machines, reading and re-reading all the posts on VFD's and the advantages of going that route.
So I emailed Matt and asked if it was too late to make a change to 3 phase and he said not too late, but you only get one change, no going back once the change is made.

I gave it some thought for a few days and have changed my order to 3 phase for both machines.

I ordered the Hitachi VFD's from QMT along with a few extras including tooling and an Aloris QCTP and a few Aloris holders.

I'm comfortable with the actual re-wiring of the machines as I'm familiar with building controller cabinets and Guard Control Stations for Security Booths which involve complex custom designs for Access Control, Barrier Gates/Arms, Intercom and CCTV Systems, well I did when I was on the tools, now I just assist with the concepts but still comfortable on the tools when required/needed.

I will need plenty of help with the programming of the VFD's I suspect and which switches/diodes and resistors to use.
We normally use Allen Bradley or Telemecanique switches and relays so I'll need to get the part numbers and see if I can buy locally through my distributors here.

Also placed an order for an Easson ES-8A 3 axis DRO from Ali Express/ Shenzhen Siton with GS10 Glass scales. It was $435.00 US with free shipping which seems like a pretty good price.

I was tempted by the ES-12 with digital colour display which was $595 but I needed to keep the budget in check.
I'll order the 2 axis one for the lathe once I get the 3 axis one here and I can verify it's the real thing, it should be here a week or so.

David
 

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I gave it some thought for a few days and have changed my order to 3 phase for both machines. I ordered the Hitachi VFD's from QMT
Good choice, that is what I did for my PM935TV. My reasoning is that it is about the same price (as substituting in a 1 phase motor), and you can make the spindle electronically brake, which is really nice to have.
 

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I have a mill/drill and my big lathe running off one VFD. You're going to love the control. I have a couple of optical tachs, but the main ones have built-in tachs. If you want to have a bit of fun, check out Mach-Tach. It's a kit that you solder together and install. It can display in RPM or IPS at the push of a button. This is the original VFD control panel. It got rebuilt after the fire. When you switch between Mill and Lathe, the tach input switches too.
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ch2co

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I really like my little Mach-Tach since I added an update kit to it so it works along with my VFD. I only have a little 10-22, but the VFD is worth its
weight in gold.
Hawkeye, Your VFD to MILL/LATHE switch box is the cats meow. I'll probably will just get another VFD if and when I get a bigger mill that has an
actual AC motor on it.
Kiwi Canuck: An Ausi Canadian ? or just a southerner. Man you could jut about sneeze and end up in Washington state.
I love BC. Some of my best vacations were in various parts of BC. The best of Colorado without the **** people. Maybe even better?

Chuck the grumpy old guy
 

Kiwi Canuck

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I have a mill/drill and my big lathe running off one VFD. You're going to love the control. I have a couple of optical tachs, but the main ones have built-in tachs. If you want to have a bit of fun, check out Mach-Tach. It's a kit that you solder together and install. It can display in RPM or IPS at the push of a button. This is the original VFD control panel. It got rebuilt after the fire. When you switch between Mill and Lathe, the tach input switches too.
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Nice job on the control box, (Very Canadian with those Robertson Screws) I will probably order a couple of the basic tachs from ebay to start unless I can get my head around the Mach-Tach and what's involved before the machines show up.
I figure I will have a pretty steep learning curve on other stuff to get up to speed with, so I'll just putt along till I'm comfortable with my decisions.
 
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Kiwi Canuck

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I really like my little Mach-Tach since I added an update kit to it so it works along with my VFD. I only have a little 10-22, but the VFD is worth its
weight in gold.
Hawkeye, Your VFD to MILL/LATHE switch box is the cats meow. I'll probably will just get another VFD if and when I get a bigger mill that has an
actual AC motor on it.
Kiwi Canuck: An Ausi Canadian ? or just a southerner. Man you could jut about sneeze and end up in Washington state.
I love BC. Some of my best vacations were in various parts of BC. The best of Colorado without the **** people. Maybe even better?

Chuck the grumpy old guy
Chuck, thanks for chiming in, the user name "Kiwi Canuck", comes from a Kiwi (New Zealander) living in Canada, (no not an Aussie, just neighbours, only 1,200 miles of ocean between us)

I actually live closer to the border with Washington State than the City of Vancouver, so I can get to my mailbox in Lynden WA in the same time it takes to get to Vancouver, and yes I agree it's a great place.
 

Kiwi Canuck

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I heard the Easson DRO was delivered to my shop today so I'll see what I got on Monday as I'm working from home today.

Also ordered (2) 500 Watt braking resistors from Hong Kong, one 33 Ohm for the Mill and one 47 ohm unit for the Lathe, they should be here next week as well.
 

Hawkeye

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Since the VFD runs two machines, the control box is on a telescoping arm than pivots toward the machine in use. Turn a selector switch on the VFD housing and control and tach source are switched to the appropriate unit. And just so there are no accidents, the switch won't operate until there is no output from the VFD.
 

zmotorsports

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Sorry, I'm a little late to the party but good choice on machines.

Funny you mentioned about not substituting quality in anything you have purchased. My son used my exact words against me when I was waffling over my machine choices as well.

You know which machines I ended up with and haven't looked back since.

Looking forward to seeing them set up in your shop.

Mike.
 

Kiwi Canuck

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Sorry, I'm a little late to the party but good choice on machines.

Funny you mentioned about not substituting quality in anything you have purchased. My son used my exact words against me when I was waffling over my machine choices as well.

You know which machines I ended up with and haven't looked back since.

Looking forward to seeing them set up in your shop.

Mike.
Hey Mike, thanks for dropping in and commenting, haven't seen you posting online for a while.

So thank you for your time to detail your experience with the 2 machines you purchased from QMT, I really enjoyed reading your posts about the setup and the videos you have posted are fantastic.

I found out about this forum from following you on Garage Journal, which is another great forum that has helped me upgrade my tool collection and finding/buying new tools I didn't even know I needed.

Look forward to seeing your new shop, are you having it built or is it an existing building? Can't remember if you mentioned that.

Cheers and Merry Christmas to you and family,

David.
 

Kiwi Canuck

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Mike, I see you have the Easson ES8A 3 Axis DRO installed on your PM-935, did you document the install?

Would be nice to see how you did that as I will be doing the same once my machines arrive, mostly need guidance with the 'Z' Knee Axis install, the others look pretty straight forward.

David
 

Kiwi Canuck

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OK time for a small update.

I received my Easson ES-8A 3 Axis DRO that I ordered from here.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Eas..._1&btsid=9ced36fd-c896-4b2a-bb36-56933f43f656

The shipment came by DHL in 2 separate packages, the display showed up about 10-12 days before the Scales.

I ordered the standard Glass Scales (GS10's) for my PM-935TS Mill, hopefully I ordered the correct lengths, 650mm for the "X" Axis, 350mm for "Y", & 400mm for "Z" Axis.

By ordering both DRO's for the Mill and Lathe directly from Asia and installing them myself I will have a bit extra to spend on tooling or beer, so justified in my mind for the extra effort.

I have the 2 Axis DRO for the PM 1340GT lathe on order from the same vendor and went with the 200mm GS11 scale for the cross slide, and 1000mm GS10 scale for the "Z" Axis.

I was a bit surprised at how big the Easson ES-8A Display is, it's beefy and surprisingly heavy duty. Wasn't expecting it to be that substantial.

After powering it up and playing around with it I was really pleased, pretty intuitive and the manual is basic but adequate, I can see this being a great addition to the new PM-935 Mill.

Still need to order all the parts for the VFD conversion, I've book marked all the posts but it's been a while since I read them so will need to go over them again.

Still waiting on the Braking Resistors I ordered from Hong Kong, shipped about 3-4 weeks ago so should be here soon.

Double checked the email from Matt to confirm the dates he estimated, looks like mid March is still the target for my machines.


On another note that has been a bit difficult to deal with as it involves a family friend, as he died as a result of a dirt bike accident last year and left a wife with 2 young boys.

His dad is starting to sell off his bikes, machines and tools and they finally called me to come over to help.

I didn't want to seem like I was over there to take advantage of them in a difficult time so I waited to be asked.

Unfortunately a lot of his good machines were already gone along with almost every piece of tooling, the Taiwan made 14x40 lathe is still there but not much tooling left for it.

He has a few Honda Motorcycles, an RC30 IIRC that Joey Dunlop raced at one time and a few others bikes including one he custom built, he was a road racer and messed around on dirt bikes but never did anything halfway, always full on with the very best gear and equipment, so he has some money tied up in his stuff.

I'm not much help on the bikes as I raced Suzuki's in the late 70's and really have never been involved with Honda's especially the late 80's early 90's.

I may help with the lathe and help tidy up the shop so they can sort out what stays and what they want to sell.

Tough times but it was good to spend some time with his Dad who I'd never really got to connect with before, he's also a Honda guy and rides a Gold Wing and got to hear about his stories of when he rode across Australia on a Honda Shadow Cruiser with his wife a few years back.

A bit off topic but just wanted to talk about this here as Clint was one of the guys that motivated me into getting my own machines and I spent a bit of time with him in his shop before his accident.

Take care.

David.
 

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David,

Sorry to hear about your friend. Must be really hard on his wife and boys. My condolences to them and best wishes for their future.

My son also lost a good friend last year, to a Quading accident and he left a wife and young ones behind. Very sad!!

It's odd how life can take a profound change in a split second. On Dec 5 my wife had a stroke and woke up paralyzed down the right side from mid abdomen to her toes. After 10 days in the hospital and a neck fusion surgery she is now home on the road to recovery. Our lives have been turned upside down as a result. The prognosis is good but the recovery is expected to take about one year.

Sent you a PM

John
 

Kiwi Canuck

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John, thanks for your message, so true that we should remember to make the most of each day and live the best life we can.

Clint sure did live life to the fullest.

BTW welcome to the site, looks like you just joined recently.

David
 

Kiwi Canuck

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David,

Sorry to hear about your friend. Must be really hard on his wife and boys. My condolences to them and best wishes for their future.

My son also lost a good friend last year, to a Quading accident and he left a wife and young ones behind. Very sad!!

It's odd how life can take a profound change in a split second. On Dec 5 my wife had a stroke and woke up paralyzed down the right side from mid abdomen to her toes. After 10 days in the hospital and a neck fusion surgery she is now home on the road to recovery. Our lives have been turned upside down as a result. The prognosis is good but the recovery is expected to take about one year.

Sent you a PM

John
John, thanks for your message and I really hope your wife is on the road to recovery, strokes can be tough to recover from but fortunately they do have some good resources out there for assistance.
A guy who worked for me for 20 years had a stroke 3 years ago and he is just now coming to grips with his new reality, he lost his peripheral vision and mobility in his right side, so I know the journey all too well.

I send my well wishes to your wife and trust she has the fortitude to get back to full mobility.

David.
 

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John, thanks for your message and I really hope your wife is on the road to recovery, strokes can be tough to recover from but fortunately they do have some good resources out there for assistance.
A guy who worked for me for 20 years had a stroke 3 years ago and he is just now coming to grips with his new reality, he lost his peripheral vision and mobility in his right side, so I know the journey all too well.

I send my well wishes to your wife and trust she has the fortitude to get back to full mobility.

David.
David, thanks for the well wishes. My wife definitely has the fortitude to get better. She will make it happen, just not sure how fast.

Back to lathes. I am still working through some issues with the King 1236 with the most irritating one being that the TS keeps moving after it has been locked down. It's a nuisance when drilling but can destroy a part if it moves when it is supposed to be supporting the end of a long piece, which has occurred. On a positive note, the Norton change gear levers are much easier to move now and can be changed with one hand.

Maybe by the time you get your lathe, I will have worked through the issues with this one (or returned it, lol).
 

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David, thanks for the well wishes. My wife definitely has the fortitude to get better. She will make it happen, just not sure how fast.

Back to lathes. I am still working through some issues with the King 1236 with the most irritating one being that the TS keeps moving after it has been locked down. It's a nuisance when drilling but can destroy a part if it moves when it is supposed to be supporting the end of a long piece, which has occurred. On a positive note, the Norton change gear levers are much easier to move now and can be changed with one hand.

Maybe by the time you get your lathe, I will have worked through the issues with this one (or returned it, lol).
John, you certainly have patience to work through the issues with your lathe, and that must be frustrating to have the TS moving after locking it down.

Good to hear your wife is committed to the work ahead of her, as I've known of a few people that just give up as they are working hard but not getting the progress they think they should.

BTW I did get some photos of the 14 X 40 Taiwan lathe, labelled as 'Advance' it was sold by Thomas Skinner & Son (still in business locally) and manufactured by Chiu Ting Machinery Company, (thought it was "Sum Ting Wong" but they're a different outfit) I googled Chiu Ting and looks like they only make wood working equipment now.

I'm going to recommend that he try selling it on CL locally unless you want to take a look at it, let me know if you want to pursue it, probably $3,500 would buy it. (i think it should list on CL for $4,200)

Comes with a 6" 3 jaw, a 6 or 8" 4 jaw, still in cardboard box, (so I didn't open it), steady rest, has a Norton Style Gear Box, QCTP and a small amount of tooling, including a live center, very lightly used mostly cutting Aluminum in hobby shop. (also has a threading dial which I found in a drawer after taking the pictures)

Just wonder about parts if ever needed, not sure what it other machine parts would fit.

Let me know if you're interested, they are not in a hurry to sell but would like to know either way in a week or so.

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I almost forgot, the DHL guy stopped at my shop just as I was leaving this afternoon and had 2 parcels for me, looks like I got my Easson ES-8A DRO for the lathe, both the display and scales arrived together this time.
I'll open them in the AM to make sure they are all OK.

David.
 

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Hey Mike, thanks for dropping in and commenting, haven't seen you posting online for a while.

So thank you for your time to detail your experience with the 2 machines you purchased from QMT, I really enjoyed reading your posts about the setup and the videos you have posted are fantastic.

I found out about this forum from following you on Garage Journal, which is another great forum that has helped me upgrade my tool collection and finding/buying new tools I didn't even know I needed.

Look forward to seeing your new shop, are you having it built or is it an existing building? Can't remember if you mentioned that.

Cheers and Merry Christmas to you and family,

David.
I am glad you found the postings and videos helpful and thanks for following along on garagejournal. I tend to spend a bit more time over there lately but I will have to pop in here more regularly.

Sorry to hear about your friend's passing.

As for my new shop, I am having most of it built by a contractor friend and then I will be doing electrical and much of the finishing, more than likely.

Mike.