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Discussion in 'MONARCH MACHINE TOOL CO.' started by Scruffy, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. Scruffy

    Scruffy Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    Here's the eBay like to the 2 mon lathes give them a look and tell me if their worth a little more than scrap price.

    I already have 3 other lathes. ,a mllling machine , a shaper but I d like to have a big ole lathe.

    331376307261

    331376329601.

    Thanks. Ron
     
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    JimDawson Global Moderator Staff Member Director

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    Monarch's are very high quality machines, very heavy built. If those two are not completely worn out, then I would say they would be a good buy. The only way to really know is to look at them in person.
     
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    Scruffy Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    That's kinda what I thought. 5 years ago I'd blow a thousand on a drunken weekend

    Don't drink or smoke now so??

    For got to mention. I bought a jd 3320 tractor a couple of months ago and haven't worked in 3 years come January


    Thanks. Ron
     
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    Well you gotta spend it somewhere, may as well be another chunk of iron or two.:lmao:
     
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    I seriously doubt that either one of those machines will go for $500. Either one has a scrap value that exceeds that. I think that scrap iron goes for about $0.40 per pound. A Monarch 16x30 weighs 4800 pounds or more (depending on the model), so it's worth almost $2000 as scrap iron. A guess is that the 18x120 weighs close to 10,000 lbs. The shop owner might take less than scrap, just to keep a faithful old machine from winding up as rebar, but he might not...

    If you haven't spent much time on eBay, be aware that there can be several people planning to bid on the machines that are using "sniping" services, such as esnipe. They allow you to set up a bid that will be automatically submitted seconds before the auction ends. But even if you won it for $500, the seller can cancel the bid and scrap the machine for more money. If you want one of the machines, figure out what the maximum amount that you're willing to spend and put that amount in close to the end of the auction.

    Cal
     
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    esnipe?
    That's how they do it!

    Daryl
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  7. Scruffy

    Scruffy Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    Cal
    I think you need to check your scrap prices. .40 a pound is 800 a ton. I live 15 miles from a very large steel mill that has a huge demand for scrap.

    You would be lucky to get .10 a pound because it's a mix of cast steel and oil. It has to be processed they can't just dump a lathe in a electric furnace. Oil. Water very bad.
    Plus they would have to take them to some one willing to buy them. Their in Parkersburg. Wva.

    Thanks ron
     
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    Thanks Ron. The .40 a pound was based on what a scrapper in Texas resold a Van Norman No. 12S to a member here for. The scrapper told him that he could have the machine for scrap iron price, but that was probably the clean scrap price.

    I haven't been able to find a website that list US scrap iron prices.

    I hope you're able to get one of the lathes.

    Cal
     
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    I wasn't trying to beat on you cal. I've never been around a monarch but from reading your posts I want one.

    Scrap prices are funny business. Mixed, cleaned cast,steel , mixed, size of pices and demand. I've seen it move 300.00 a ton in a month.
    The only reason I know this is my father has bought and sold scrap since the60s. He's now 84 and still at it.


    What can you tell from the pics to tell me

    Thanks ron
     
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    Go to rock way recycling.com. They give a pretty good range of prices. And ember you're selling a long ton. Or gross ton. = 2200. Lb
    Thanks ron

    Website is. Rockawayrecycling.com
     
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    Hi Ron,

    Thanks for the Rockaway Recycling link; that's exactly what I was looking for.

    Unfortunately, I don't know very much about Monarch lathes, apart from the 10EE. I have a friend with a 16C (13x30, can swing 15.5") and it's a beast. It's the toolroom version of the lathe, with taper attachment. It's very well make in all respects; it looks like it was carved out of solid granite.

    The first eBay machine (http://www.ebay.com/itm/331376307261) is a 16x30 (18.5" swing) and looks like the toolroom version to me as well, but I don't really know. It has a 1000 RPM top spindle speed and a taper attachment, just like my friend's 16C. That would be my choice and I would love to have that machine.

    The second eBay machine (http://www.ebay.com/itm/331376329601) is an 18BB, 18x120 (20.5" swing). It probably has a 10-15HP motor; I wouldn't ever consider it unless you have 3-phase power. If you're look for a big machine, this is it. It was built just prior to WWII and has probably got a lot of use on it (wouldn't you love to know all the things that old girl has done?). By 1943, when my 10EE was built, Monarch was turning out so many lathes that quality was slipping a bit; I don't know about early 1941, but things were probably a lot better then. I looked at a similar Monarch, about 240" between centers and it was amazing in every regard! Put "Monarch 18BB" into Google and you'll find some similar machines.

    I've reached out to several guys that know these bigger machines and I'll report back.

    Are you close enough to be able to go see the machines?

    Cal
     
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    Thanks for the info cal. It's about 150 miles from me so it would be a nice road trip

    Thanks ron
     

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