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How to lift a surface plate to stand...without cherry picker or crane etc?

Discussion in 'METROLOGY - MEASURE, SETUP & FIT' started by expressline99, Jun 30, 2017.

  1. expressline99

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    OK Guys I'm a few days away from being able to mount my surface plate. Figure there isn't any help or another able bodied person around. I don't have a cherry picker or any kind of overhead system. Lucky me I can get it into my van using the forklift at my warehouse. But at home where it's going to live I've got to get it onto the stand I'm building. The stand is going to have a working height of 36" at the top of the plate. I've basically followed "most" of the instruction of the graphic included with the Standridge plate.
    I will be able to get the van within a few feet of where the plate will rest on the stand. The stand is stationary and will be resting on bolts to level it...plus the 3 point mount for the plate at the top. It's 2" square tubing as discussed in the other thread.

    So how do I get it out of the truck and on to the stand alone? I've only got one idea so far and that utilizes a 1/2 ton chain block and tackle I've never used before. But I'd have to build a 4x4 wood rolling frame high enough to use the block. If I had an engine lift it would be a piece of cake. ...and building the rolling frame will be a super pain in the rear. But I will also be able to use it to remove the table from my mill next...and remove the lathe from it's base when I transfer it to the new one.

    The garage is 10' high with a normal 7' garage door. Roof is cut and stack. :) So connecting to those framing members doesn't exactly = safety...likely to come loose and pull the ceiling down with it.

    The only other idea is to make the stand and put the plate on the stand at the warehouse...put the whole thing in my trailer and bring it home... But then I have to get the whole thing out of the trailer. I'm stumped.

    Ideas? Suggestions?

    Paul
     
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    Umm, borrow or rent an engine hoist?
     
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    What about a couple of rails (any heavy tubing or channel) to a sawhorse, then use some conduit (or round stock) and roll it down the rails to the stand?
     
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    How about hiring a couple body guards from the local gambling casino to pick it up and place where you want it?

    Down here in oilfield country, roughnecks are in abundance. One can handle a 18" x 24" 300 lb surface plate easily.:big grin:
     
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    When I bought my lathe I had all sorts of ideas on how to get it off the delivery company's truck up few steps into the house and set in place. Not a one was 100% safe so I hired 5 guys; BIG guys, no problems. They were very carefull and had the move complete in about 45 minutes. What ever you do think what could go wrong with that idea before acting on it.
     
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    Well, the Egyptians were adept at raising massive stone blocks to great heights.

    You didn't say what size or wt. surface plate but a sheet of plywood comes to mind. Cut the plywood larger than the plate but small enough to go through doorways drill some holes for tie ropes to secure the slab. Use 4 x 4's or 6 x 6's stacked to build the height enough to slide the slab from the van to the plywood. secure the slab and remove the 4 x4's, one side at a time until you can lower the plywood to a dolly or cart for rolling to your site. At the site, build the stack up again to the stand height , unsecure the plate and slide it onto the stand.

    Or.... Buy a couple of six packs and go talk with some friends/neighbors (I would still use the plywood. A couple of hand holes would be nice).
     
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    Wedge it up...

    When placed in van via fork lift first stack pallets or other materials in first to have it already at correct height or close to it.

    Make a bridge of sorts between there and where it needs to go then slide it across.

    Ww brought home a hf mill drill and slid it out of the van onto a box then with very large screwdrivers we wedged up one side to place a piece of plywood then the other.

    We elevated it well over a foot then slid it onto the bench where it would go...solo but that was in our young and risky days...

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk
     
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    rent a hoist and be done with it :)
     
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    When is the World’s Strongest Man qualifier coming back to Reno? :weight:

    Tom
     
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    You put it on my back, I'll carry it... ;)

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    I wonder why a couple of these ideas seem like the plate goes home with someone else? :) No one has said load it in their car YET. LOL

    Sorry I didn't mentioned it but the plate is 24"x24"x3" it's not super heavy but enough I can't lift it alone. On the stand all four corners will each have a piece of angle iron that sticks up to keep the plate from sliding off and or protecting the corners? But I am wondering if that is even needed with this size of plate. I'll move back over to the support thread for that question. I don't want to weld corners on after placing the stone. Plus I have to paint first.

    So it's wood stacks/rails/ or engine hoist. I would borrow one but I haven't had any mechanic friends for years now. I could probably attract a few people from Sacramento if I bought a bunch of beer and offered food. If they could get here before I drank it all. :D I do have a big bar I built downstairs with some pinball machines.

    Thanks for the ideas folks. I'll have to ponder it out.
     
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    Put the corners on the stand. You don't want that rock walking off over time. Consider bolting at least two on rather than welding. That way you can slide it rather than having to lift it.
     
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    Can you rig a chain fall from the ceiling? I lagged a 2x4 to the bottom of the floor joists and lifted it then slid the stand under and lowered into place. Use 3 joists and I don't think you'll have a problem.
     
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    You can sister a 2by to whatever is existing. And support both ends with adjustable basement stantions. Sorry forgot the name. Then go ahead and use that chainfall. Pull and store until next needed
     
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    At 24" square by 3" thick, I make the weight of the plate at less than 200lbs. Hire a 2-man moving crew for half an hour and it would be all done.

    -frank
     
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    What time should we be there? ;)
    -brino
     
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    My dad built a tool & die cart/lift that I kept from his shop. I put my rock on it, roll it in place, my son and I slid it over onto the surface place stand. we put a couple of slats over the top of the stand to slide the rock over onto the stand. Then pull the slats out. Might see if anyone has one to borrow or rent.
     
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    Here is one of the best tools that I have in my shop. I highly recommend them for every shop. Mine was a Craig's List buy, I use it all the time.

    Lift Table
     
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    Great Idea. I'll bolt two of them on. That way I can still get them painted.
    With the 3 pads on the bottom of the plate I'll have to work around those to keep them from getting pushed off during sliding it on.
     
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    I would love to have one of those!
     
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    Now would work. It's 94 outside I think I'm going to go have a cold one or two...and keep working on that stand.
     
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    Based on what I've seen in the attic I don't think it would support it. But it might. I've been up there and haven't fallen through yet. I could get some 12' 2x6's and put those on each side of where I'm lifting to give it more support. That's a possibility.
     
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    Yeah it's not horribly heavy. But alone a little too much. I'm not a very big guy. But Ken's got guys working around him that can lift 300 pounds. I think if I tried just dead lifting it I might have some internal part breakage! :)
     
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    That might be the way to go. The hard part is connecting those to the 10' ceiling. Really some of those spinning adjustable stanchions would be the way to go. Like those used to support floors while replacing load bearing walls. I think that's what you mean?
     
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    I love watching that. Did they have it here and I didn't realize it??
     
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    I only watched a few episodes awhile back. I’m pretty sure one was in Reno, biggest little city and all that, but I’ve slept since then. ;)

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    If you were closer I could help you out and pick it up.
     
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    I have a 2 ton table lift I bought from a Industrial Liquidatetor for $220.00 new, in the crate. I use it as an additional work surface; help moving friends;getting heavy things from the freight delivery tucks into the shop which is deep inside my home. Wish I had bought it LONG time ago.
     
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    Harbor freight sells them to, I bought one years ago it's been used dozens of times. The table pumps up by foot and it stores easily . I'd invest in one for your lift on the granite. Ok better way for you at two hundred pounds it will slide easy onto the table frame using a piece of carpet turned over with the granite sitting on the backer. Use 2 x 6 lumber from the trailer or truck pull the carpet onto the runners ,,,wood,,, it will slide easy get as close as you can the shorter the span the better. You can use bolts or screws to keep the wood from slipping off the frame or tailgate.
    I thought you had something heavy , this is nothing.
     
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