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Bought a burke #4

Discussion in 'BURKE-US MACHINE TOOL & BARKER MACHINES' started by woodtickgreg, Mar 30, 2013.

  1. woodtickgreg

    woodtickgreg United States Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    These burke mills seem to be very popular here and elsewhere. I found one in pretty good condition by accident. I went with a friend to look at a mill I found for him on craigslist, it was a rong fu with a vice, 2hp rotary phase converter, and r8 collet set for $750, he bought it and we took it apart and loaded it up. While we where there I saw this old burke #4 horizontal mill, I have been looking for a dovetail column vertical mill. The guy said he had the vertical attachment for it. So he pulls out a couple of boxes and sure enough it had the vertical attachment and a bunch of other stuff like parts for the power feed and an original owners manual. The machine is date stamped on the dovetail column 7-12-42. He asked $750 for it also and I bought it. The rong fu was a way better buy but this machine will fit in my shop better and it will be a great companion to my 49 south bend heavy ten lathe. I am pretty excited about this find, I will have to see if all the parts are there for the power table feed, most of it is there. The belt cover is missing but I think I can find or make one. I will pick this machine up next week and will post pic's when I get it. It is in very good condition, still has scrape marks on the table and ways, handles all turn smoothly and no rust at all, well oiled and cared for. And as a bonus the seller gave me a set of collets for it and a bunch of hss cutters that I can use for my lathe and a handfull of boring bars also, a turret style tool holder that may work with my lathe until I get a qc post. And a buch of other stuff in a bucket that I have not even sorted through yet. I think it was my turn for a craigslist find, LOL. Do you guys think this was a fair price for it? It doesn't really matter though as I am happy with the find, just kinda wondered what it was really worth, the paint is good and just needs some minor cleaning and tweaking, I won't have to do a full restore on it like I did on my south bend.
     
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    Greg,

    Man, that is really a shame. You got taken to the cleaners my man. That thing is at best worth a couple hundred plus maybe a hundred for the vertical head. What a shame.

    However, I am in the need of some ballast for a certain project and would be willing to offer what you paid for it just to take it off your hands. :whistle:

    Seriously, I think the price you paid was fair. Did you get the original cast base for it? Pic's are definitely in line here. Nice score. And oh, by the way, YOU SUCK! :))

    Steve
     
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    woodtickgreg United States Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    Yup, got the cast base too, all original paint. I suck? Oh boy I am honored that I suck! That means I did good. LOL I will definitely post pics when I pic it up.
     
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    woodtickgreg United States Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    I found the craigslist posting for the mill, lets see if I can get the pics to post here.
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    Oh, be still my heart! That is a thing of beauty!! Why can't I ever SUCK like that????!!!!!
     
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    That looks great :thumbsup:

    Running a horizontal mill takes a different thinking approach than a vertical but it's not a negative at all. Does the vertical attachment have a quill? ( like a bridgeport)

    Let me see what I have in extra mill tooling around here. ( it's just "fair" not "great")

    Congrats
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    woodtickgreg United States Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    I think so but I'm not really sure, it does take collets though, I think 3c ? I will have to wait till I get it home and get to play with it and check it out. It was a quick check over and then made the deal, then took apart a machine from the same seller that my friend purchased and moved it. Man those rong fu's are heavy.
     
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    I went to look at a similar machine the other day and the guy wanted $2000 with the original vise, vertical head and 80 cutters.
    You did reeeeeeeeeeeealy good and yes,"YOU SUCK"
    Oh, the vertical head, I believe, if an original Burke, has a fixed spindle.
     
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    I went and picked up the mill today, very easy to take apart and move, no problem for 2 guys and a dolly. I took a few pics before I took it apart, they came out better with my camera even with crappy light. What a cool machine, notice the size of the motor, it's huge for a 110v! Gotta be about a 100lbs. In the pics it's set up for horizontal milling. The p.o. had several quick change type cutter holders for it too. Also notice the motor tag says 1720 rpm but 280 shaft rpm, think it will make some torque? LOL Also a pretty cool tag that states it has Timken bearings. I looked at it a little closer today and can see that it has been painted but it's not horrible. Maybe someday I'll give it the full restore treatment. Right now I just want to get it set up in my basement and use it.
    Here's a few pics, I'll get some more when I get her set up with the vertical head. gotta get a vise too, I'm thinking 4" swivel vise would be nice size for this mill. And I need to see if all the parts are there for the table feed.
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    OK Greg, YOU SUCK :lmao:

    That's freaking nice. Let me know what size arbor(s) it has and I'll look thru my tooling.

    Vise, if you can find a used KURT vise, grab it. A good vise makes a big difference. You mentioned a swivel base, nice to have but if it were mine, I'd only use the swivel base when actually needed. It will be more rigid mounted directly to the table. What ever flavor vise you get, make sure it has removable jaws. Soft jaws make it easy to hold irregular pieces securely.
     
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    You could have, I just sold one with a virt. head, original indexer and a few other accessories for the same money.
     
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    Thought I'd show The vert attachment for the mill and the 3C collets. The vert head is in great shape, no rust, just a little dirty and greasy.

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    The shop made spanner for adjusting the eccentric.
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    The collets and some clamp blocks for the table.
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    One of these holders is currently Mounted on the mill, here are a couple more sizes, these are for horizontal milling cutters and saws.
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    Nice haul! Looks to be in really good condition....you won't need to do much to it, that's for sure. Maybe just a bit of polishing, etc. Keep us posted...I for one have always wanted to see one of these in action. I was very close to getting one myself, but opted to keep my current mill.
     
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    I think you did damn well, Greg! She's a real beauty too! I love the old machines. They have class and a style all their own. Good luck with her brother!
     
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    Thanks my friend, I got her in the basement today after work, all assembled and I oiled everything very well, wired up the motor and threw the switch. It's amazing how smooth the old machines are, remember the old lionell trains and how they had that electrical with oil smell? That's how this mill smells when she's running, kinda cool. This mill looks great sitting beside the south bend, a perfect compliment. For what machining I do making tools for wood workers this mill will be great. And I just dig it because it is old American iron.
     
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    That statement requires some pictures.

    The Lionel electrical smell brings back memories
     
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    Woodtickgreg, Are you planning to spend some time at the NAMES convention? I'll be there all day Sat. I'd like to talk to you about your Burke #4 arbor and drawbar.
     
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    Pics to come soon.
    Had to take the wife out for a birthday dinner.
     
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    Those old trains did have a cool smell. Too bad kids today don't have a clue about stuff like that. The mill looks great, you're going to have a lot of fun with it.
     
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    Uhm.....I don't know what a NAMES convention is.

    I am curious as to what you want to talk about as far as the arbor and draw bar, ask away.
     
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    Got to keep momma happy :thumbsup:

    If Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy
    If Poppa ain't happy, nobody cares

    :roflmao:
     
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    The parents (in laws) are taking us out for the wifes birthday dinner today. I'll try and get these pics up before I have to get ready to go.
    Splat, just so you get the right impression, my shop is trashed and well used. Too many projects going on all at once.
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    The cleanest part of the shop, where the new machines have been placed. The 2 machines look good together, same vintage.
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    I spent some time oiling everything up. A better pic of the table.
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    I have determined that at on time or another this mill has been re-scraped as the scrape patterns are different. But in is still in really good shape and well cared for, everything operates very smoothly.
    The first 2 pics are the table.
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    This last pic is the saddle, see the difference in the scrape pattern.
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    Here's the model number, at first I thought this was a date stamp, it is stamped on the column. Like my south bend lathe, I am learning as I go along. I wonder if there is a way to find the year it was made, I'm still guessing 40's.


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    This is the quick change horizontal arbor shaft set up, it's pretty cool and seems to be well made. I have never seen one of these but I don't know a lot about horizontal milling either, but I'm gonna learn.
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    This is the brand name of the quick change adapter.
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    And I couldn't stop playing with the mill so I had to give the change over to the vertical attachment a try. It was really quite easy, I cave it a wirl under power and she is very smooth and quiet even at the highest speed.

    What she looks like with the vert attachment installed.
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    You can also see the collet arbor laying on the table.
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    The vert assembly can be mounted on either side of the bracket that the top column goes through, that would give a larger range than I thought it would have,
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    Here you can see the number graduations are quite clear and the head is in great shape.
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    I wonder if I can mount an electric power feed to this table instead of the original pto drive unit? I think the p.o. did this at one time, I can't figure out any other reason why he would have removed it. I think he then transfered it to the rong fu mill my friend purchased. My thinking of doing this is all the motor power would go to the cutter shaft and not the table feed.
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    The North American Model Engineering Society, NAMES convention in Wyandotte Mi is in two weeks. It is well worth the days excursion, especially if you're in the area. I plan on attending Sat Apr 20 and visiting the Ford Museum on Sunday Apr 21.

    An acquaintance of mine is planning to buy a Burke #4 but it has no arbor or drawbar. I was hoping to photo and take measurements of original pieces. I didn't realize until now that you had a QC arbor set up. Not sure but the drawbar may be the same.
     
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    Very, very nice condition. Scraped tables are a rarity.
     
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    Here we go again....not getting notifications of replys to threads. I had not planned to attend and do not think I could spare the time right now. Are you going to greenfield village to the henry ford museum in dearborn. I spend all day in that museum, it's just awesome!
    The quick change arbor uses the same draw bolt for the arbor. If you need more info on stuff just ask, I'll do what I can to help.
    I think I fixed the notification thing.
    Greg
     
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    We spent the weekend at Greenfield Village and the Museum two years ago. About 1/3 of the museum was closed off for a remodeling job. We wanted to go back to see the changes. While there, last time, I took a couple of photos of the crown molding in one of the homes in the village to use in a remodel of our dining room. I am now working on that room and need better pics and hope to take a couple of measurements. I wrote a letter to the Research Center with the two photos and they couldn't even tell me what building I was referring to.
    I've tried to find a local Detroit historical group to help me without success. I'm hoping to get in and find the right home, take measurements and pics before they close Sunday afternoon.
     
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    I've never been to the villiage, I can't seem to get out of the museum, it just fascinates me.
     
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    What a great find and a fine American machine! I hate you!! (to be taken in the same light as "you suck!") :biggrin:

    Just the right size and from the looks of things, no painting needed. I dream of finding machinery like this!


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    You're right.. looks great sitting by the South Bend!

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