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rzbill

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Search function not working today?
 

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I have one, it's great. For a nearly infinite amount of additional info, check out the Precision Matthews section on this forum.
 

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Search function not working today?
Really??????


Im glad you like your machine, and I realize there is a PM section to this forum. However, that section deals mainly in use and troubleshooting of the machine itself, not in a comparison of quality (which was my original question).
 

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Really??????


Im glad you like your machine, and I realize there is a PM section to this forum. However, that section deals mainly in use and troubleshooting of the machine itself, not in a comparison of quality (which was my original question).
Sorry, I thought the 10 pages of search results that included threads comparing other brands to the PM-1440 would be helpful.
 

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For the benefit of those who are not aware, on this forum we do not chastise people for asking a question no matter how trivial or how many times it has been asked in the past, and no matter what results may show up from a proper search. Additionally, we should also give someone the benefit of the doubt when he says he is trying to be helpful, even if not presented in the best manner.

So, with that said, it is time to get this thread back on topic.
 

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Gasmith,

PM sells good quality gear for home users. Their customer support is really terrific too.

PM sells nice chucks from a Taiwanese company called Auto Strong. They can even upgrade those, tho I can't see the point as they are very nice.

If the 1440 you are looking at is Taiwanese, I would say go for it. If not I would go with the pm1340gt which is made in Taiwan. I bought one of those about a year ago just to add to my shop. I could go on and on about it. It's a terrific value for the money spent. Moreover it offers a 5 year warranty. I don't know anyone who does that.

The best advice I can give you is think very carefully about what you need the kind of work you are going to do. Then spec exactly what you would like to have and contact Matt at PM and see what kind of deal he can make for you.

As for comparisons I would think the Standard Modern might be a step of head of the PM but I don't have a Standard Modern so I can't really say.

I would definitely prefer the p.m. to a new South Bend but that's just personal on my part.

Do you take advantage of the wealth of information that Matt has and he is happy to share the same with you on the telephone. He's a very nice guy. Best of luck in your search for the right machine.

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Gasmith,

PM sells good quality gear for home users. Their customer support is really terrific too.

PM sells nice chucks from a Taiwanese company called Auto Strong. They can even upgrade those, tho I can't see the point as they are very nice.

If the 1440 you are looking at is Taiwanese, I would say go for it. If not I would go with the pm1340gt which is made in Taiwan. I bought one of those about a year ago just to add to my shop. I could go on and on about it. It's a terrific value for the money spent. Moreover it offers a 5 year warranty. I don't know anyone who does that.

The best advice I can give you is think very carefully about what you need the kind of work you are going to do. Then spec exactly what you would like to have and contact Matt at PM and see what kind of deal he can make for you.

As for comparisons I would think the Standard Modern might be a step of head of the PM but I don't have a Standard Modern so I can't really say.

I would definitely prefer the p.m. to a new South Bend but that's just personal on my part.

Do you take advantage of the wealth of information that Matt has and he is happy to share the same with you on the telephone. He's a very nice guy. Best of luck in your search for the right machine.

Squire

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Thanks. I am heavily eyeing the PM1440GT and the 1440HD
 

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Thanks. I am heavily eyeing the PM1440GT and the 1440HD
Gasmith,

I took a look at the 1440 GT. Man, that's a nice machine. I would pop for that one over the HD.

I'm a retired gunsmith. Worked in a big urban shop for many moons. I've got a growing hone shop full of serious tools. I have to say I enjoy the 1340GT as much as anything I own or have worked on in the past. Now a Taiwanese 1440? I'd buy that in a minute along with that 4 Jaw at $399. They are excellent chucks.

Cheers[emoji41]

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Gasmith,

I took a look at the 1440 GT. Man, that's a nice machine. I would pop for that one over the HD.

I'm a retired gunsmith. Worked in a big urban shop for many moons. I've got a growing hone shop full of serious tools. I have to say I enjoy the 1340GT as much as anything I own or have worked on in the past. Now a Taiwanese 1440? I'd buy that in a minute along with that 4 Jaw at $399. They are excellent chucks.

Cheers[emoji41]

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Its definitely what Im leaning towards. However, the HD interests me simply because I want to know whats been made heavier.
 

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I will jump on the bandwagon regarding PM, their machines and their support. I've owned three of their machines, still own two (1340GT lathe and 935TS mill), and Matt has always been there to help with any question or problem I have had.
 

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I will jump on the bandwagon regarding PM, their machines and their support. I've owned three of their machines, still own two (1340GT lathe and 935TS mill), and Matt has always been there to help with any question or problem I have had.
Dude...... You have the mill too? How does it stack up to say a reconditioned Bridgeport? Im eyeballing those too.
 

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Dude...... You have the mill too? How does it stack up to say a reconditioned Bridgeport? Im eyeballing those too.
I have no experience with a BP, sorry. My mentor, a pistolsmith, had a 9x50 Comet mill and a Japanese 16x40 lathe that even HE said was gross overkill for what he did. But he got a good price on the pair and that was that.

I'm strictly a hobbyist, although I do build my own competition guns, and occasionally do stuff for others if I can legally. I started with a Sherline lathe and mill to build my first Steel Challenge pistol and have worked my way up through various bench mills and lathes until I got these babies. :)

They both are 3ph with VFD conversions, are very accurate, and do everything I need.

Hardest I have pushed the 935 was one time I needed to take a bunch of material off a piece of 7075 T6 to make a fixture. Put my Glacern 3" face mill in the spindle and took several full-width passes @.3" DOC and the mill didn't even breathe hard. I on the other hand, was dodging hot chips the size of my thumbnails as they came flying off the cutter. I didn't hear the spindle motor even change pitch.

Not bad for a Taiwan made baby BP. :)
 

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I have no experience with a BP, sorry. My mentor, a pistolsmith, had a 9x50 Comet mill and a Japanese 16x40 lathe that even HE said was gross overkill for what he did. But he got a good price on the pair and that was that.

I'm strictly a hobbyist, although I do build my own competition guns, and occasionally do stuff for others if I can legally. I started with a Sherline lathe and mill to build my first Steel Challenge pistol and have worked my way up through various bench mills and lathes until I got these babies. :)

They both are 3ph with VFD conversions, are very accurate, and do everything I need.

Hardest I have pushed the 935 was one time I needed to take a bunch of material off a piece of 7075 T6 to make a fixture. Put my Glacern 3" face mill in the spindle and took several full-width passes @.3" DOC and the mill didn't even breathe hard. I on the other hand, was dodging hot chips the size of my thumbnails as they came flying off the cutter. I didn't hear the spindle motor even change pitch.

Not bad for a Taiwan made baby BP. :)
This is all good to hear considering everything else I hear about Precision Matthews.
 

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You could do a lot worse than dealing with Matt at PM. :)

And good luck on your business venture.
 

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Sorry for poking in here again but please accept this apology to the original poster and the forum at large for my posts in the beginning of this thread.
 

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What do you guys think of this machine?
http://www.precisionmatthews.com/shop/pm-1440gt/

Good, bad, ugly? How would this machine stack up against a new South Bend, Standard Modern, or Acer?
A bit of friendly advice; Putting a key element of your topic in the title e.g. "Any PM 1440 GT owners out there", will get you more specific and faster responses.
I know there are a several owners of that machine here.
 

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A bit of friendly advice; Putting a key element of your topic in the title e.g. "Any PM 1440 GT owners out there", will get you more specific and faster responses.
I know there are a several owners of that machine here.
Good Idea, I fixed for ya.
 

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gasmith,

I have a Pm-1440GT that I have been running for a year now. You can find my postings on it here. I am very pleased with the quality of the machine. Mine originally came as a 2hp single phase machine which I have converted to a 3hp 3 phase running off a Hitachi VFD. The variable speed of the VFD allows me to dial in the speeds between the gears, provides soft start, electronic breaking and FRW/REV jog. The spindle run-out is speced at .0002". Mine runs under .0001". The bed castings are high quality. The stand is steel but Matt at QMT did an excellent job of having it built solid with extra reinforcing in the right places. I personally like the 2" spindle bore and the D1-5 spindle nose. I do more than just smithing work so the extra capacity for the lathe size benefits me for the work I do. My two complaints about the machine were it sits too low for me and the access for the coolant tank and pump are from the inside of the base under the chip tray. I made 6" riser stands for the base and moved the coolant tank / pump outside of the base for easier maintenance. It has more change gears than I like but for 90% of the threading I do I only use two different gears. Gear changes are simple and quick to do. If you plan on doing barrel work through the head you will need to add a spider to the rear of the spindle. I modified the cover the keep the spider as short as possible. The lathe is more than adequate for smithing work if that's your primary function for it.

The PM-1440HD is a Chinese made machine and a heavier machine with a wider bed and cast iron base. The head / spindle is longer and I suspect the spindle is supported by three bearings instead of two like the 1440GT. There are a few HD owners on this forum and they all seem very pleased with them. I also like the fact that the motor on the HD is mounted in the base vs hanging off the back of the headstock. Matt at QMT does a good job of having his machines built well. Having not seen one up close andp ersonal I can't comment further about it other than it was on my list when I was looking over a year ago.

The Taiwan made south Bends appear to be nice machines but you don't see much in the way of reviews. I helped a locat hop setup one of the new SB 1340s. The fit and finish were on par with the PM-1440GT. The biggest benefit I see is the universal gearbox which eliminates the change gears. I have not been up close and personal with the other two lathes you mentioned.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.
 

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gasmith,

I have a Pm-1440GT that I have been running for a year now. You can find my postings on it here. I am very pleased with the quality of the machine. Mine originally came as a 2hp single phase machine which I have converted to a 3hp 3 phase running off a Hitachi VFD. The variable speed of the VFD allows me to dial in the speeds between the gears, provides soft start, electronic breaking and FRW/REV jog. The spindle run-out is speced at .0002". Mine runs under .0001". The bed castings are high quality. The stand is steel but Matt at QMT did an excellent job of having it built solid with extra reinforcing in the right places. I personally like the 2" spindle bore and the D1-5 spindle nose. I do more than just smithing work so the extra capacity for the lathe size benefits me for the work I do. My two complaints about the machine were it sits too low for me and the access for the coolant tank and pump are from the inside of the base under the chip tray. I made 6" riser stands for the base and moved the coolant tank / pump outside of the base for easier maintenance. It has more change gears than I like but for 90% of the threading I do I only use two different gears. Gear changes are simple and quick to do. If you plan on doing barrel work through the head you will need to add a spider to the rear of the spindle. I modified the cover the keep the spider as short as possible. The lathe is more than adequate for smithing work if that's your primary function for it.

The PM-1440HD is a Chinese made machine and a heavier machine with a wider bed and cast iron base. The head / spindle is longer and I suspect the spindle is supported by three bearings instead of two like the 1440GT. There are a few HD owners on this forum and they all seem very pleased with them. I also like the fact that the motor on the HD is mounted in the base vs hanging off the back of the headstock. Matt at QMT does a good job of having his machines built well. Having not seen one up close andp ersonal I can't comment further about it other than it was on my list when I was looking over a year ago.

The Taiwan made south Bends appear to be nice machines but you don't see much in the way of reviews. I helped a locat hop setup one of the new SB 1340s. The fit and finish were on par with the PM-1440GT. The biggest benefit I see is the universal gearbox which eliminates the change gears. I have not been up close and personal with the other two lathes you mentioned.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Thank you for the detailed response!
 

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Before I ordered a PM-1236 Matt gave me the pros and cons of his different models, including details I didn't find on the internet. Some are very close in the details, but he does give advice based on what your using the machines for. If you want a 1440, call PM up and you will get the low down on the differences between the models in a few minutes. PM is mostly pre-orderd machines too. PM may have one available now or they may all be reserved/sold. So call and find out if you need one promptly, there is a new shipment coming in now.
 

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Before I ordered a PM-1236 Matt gave me the pros and cons of his different models, including details I didn't find on the internet. Some are very close in the details, but he does give advice based on what your using the machines for. If you want a 1440, call PM up and you will get the low down on the differences between the models in a few minutes. PM is mostly pre-orderd machines too. PM may have one available now or they may all be reserved/sold. So call and find out if you need one promptly, there is a new shipment coming in now.
I emailed him a couple days ago and he answered me promptly. Im still in the phases of finding everything I need and suppliers for it. Ive settled on the machines Im getting so now I need to track down tooling. I wanna make chips as soon as I get them.
 
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