It's a Mitut.. What?? !!

I expect we all play somewhat hardball when it comes to the unvarnished truth about the quality of stuff.
In the spirit of the game mentioned by @MrWhoopee
They made a sport of bringing back the absolute worst Rolex knock-offs that they could find. They had some amazingly bad ones.
..This can be a place to post what you know to be, or can reasonably be suspected to be .. really crappy!
Knock-offs also welcome - but say if they are really good quality ones!
 
Starrett has a economy line which is not branded starrett. It’s what it says a economy line but built to their specs. Not garbage but definitely not starrett quality. When you pay for authentic branded tooling you have the guarantee it’s gonna be to the specs listed if it got through qc with a fault they honor their product no questions ask. The op’s test indicator will probably do all he ask. But if he was rolling out expensive parts that were qc’d the first rack of returned parts he got I’d bet he’d be buying a true starrett or mitutoyo from the company not fleabay.

I don't know about Starrett any more. I bought a new 93B tap handle some time ago and it wouldn't hold a tap even remotely straight. I sent it back and what was returned was better but still no good at all. When I get to it I'll
just buy something older or a Mitutoyo. I don't plan on buying anything new from Starrett again.
 
The low cost of labor is a big factor in counterfeiting. I've seen videos of ic chips being pulled off boards, the numbers sanded off and the parts remarked and sold as genuine. Many hours spent to make a few dollars
 
Problem buying used stuff on eBay is first of its used. Yes you might get lucky and someone is just selling their stuff. On the other hand they are probably selling it because there’s a underlying problem with it. You can’t test or put in your hands before the sale so your SOL. And they stated it’s used so they have a acknowledged it if you put a complaint to eBay so their cleared.
 
If the ad stated "used but functional" then you have a recourse. Or, if broken and you just need it for parts, then you might do okay
especially if you know more about the item than the seller! :)
 
I haven't had any issues with used measuring devices, but I am very particular with the ads and sellers. If anything suggests that it may not work, or the seller seems not to know much about the function I pass. The ones I have are marked from commercial use, and well used, but fully functional. It is quite possible that they no longer meet specs for certification but they are more accurate than my means for testing (mostly measuring parallels of a known size). They may or may not be more accurate than my cheap tools, but they are clearly higher quality and nicer to use.

These are expensive tools for us as hobbyists but for a working shop they are semi-consumable items. My guess is many are taken in trade and then cleaned up or even refurbished by the seller. Most of mine have come from ebay sellers who had a variety of used machining tools available. Maybe not as cheap as a seller with a micrometer mixed in with Beanie babies and baseball cards, but I think their description is probably more reliable.


I had purchased a "Mitutoyo" 6" caliper from Ebay. It was guaranteed 100% authentic. Box/case/certificate...everything. It came and the only thing that gave me 100% doubt (besides ebay and the price) The SN and the certificate didn't match. I returned it got a refund and the address they gave me to return was bogus so it bounced back to me & I got to keep it. I'll say this, its my favorite caliper, its actually very nice to use. Whatever this all is worth.

I posted a video in another thread that was somebody going through a counterfeit Mitutoyo and an comparing it to an authentic one. The level of detail to distinguish the fake from the real was pretty amazing. They were looking at things like the included battery being the wrong type / brand, things like the serial not matching the certificate (which is just a copy of a real one). The big give away for many are when their Japanese made tool ships from China...
 
I haven't had any issues with used measuring devices, but I am very particular with the ads and sellers. If anything suggests that it may not work, or the seller seems not to know much about the function I pass. The ones I have are marked from commercial use, and well used, but fully functional. It is quite possible that they no longer meet specs for certification but they are more accurate than my means for testing (mostly measuring parallels of a known size). They may or may not be more accurate than my cheap tools, but they are clearly higher quality and nicer to use.

These are expensive tools for us as hobbyists but for a working shop they are semi-consumable items. My guess is many are taken in trade and then cleaned up or even refurbished by the seller. Most of mine have come from ebay sellers who had a variety of used machining tools available. Maybe not as cheap as a seller with a micrometer mixed in with Beanie babies and baseball cards, but I think their description is probably more reliable.




I posted a video in another thread that was somebody going through a counterfeit Mitutoyo and an comparing it to an authentic one. The level of detail to distinguish the fake from the real was pretty amazing. They were looking at things like the included battery being the wrong type / brand, things like the serial not matching the certificate (which is just a copy of a real one). The big give away for many are when their Japanese made tool ships from China...
Yep, that is the counterfeit Mitutoyo I purchased. It was the smallest detail where you found the flaws (battery, SN matching the papers...) but it is a VERY good counterfeit, which at least, is better than some of the cheaper stuff you can buy out there. I really like it, in fact, I purchased a very good unit from a very accomplished machinist that was retiring (very wealthy at that)I'd assume its a decent/high end name that I'm not familiar with, but I like it better than that one. I'll have to go look at it again to get the name off it. I'd like to say I would never buy Chinese, but more and more, thats hard to do. There aren't many American companies left, of those, the prices don't make sense for someone who really doesn't make an income from those tools. Good to share the "gems" out these we come across. For me, I swear by Shars.
 
I guess sort of on topic...can anyone tell me what these calipers are?
 

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