Can Anyone Id This Lathe?

About the 1 HP motor, remember that motor is going thru a gear box , those gears will help it to keep turning as well as any overhead line shaft which ran a whole shop. If it were direct to the lathe I'd say YUPP you need a ten HP to run the lathe. There's a couple of that style LATHES in the three to eight hundred range now near NJ . Even some nice mills, a Rockford for $350. I found a Nichols mill for $50.00 but I'm unable to go get them. Couple nice horizontal mills with the vertical head $900.00. .. Back to this lathe looks good in the picture I bet she turns out to not need very much to get her cutting chips. Wash down the head bearings if the old oil or sometimes grease . Plus it will flush out any debree . I almost had one about a year ago it was in central Jersey , but no room for it ..good luck I'm glad you saved her.
 
Just a quick update. I am gathering the cutter and stock material for making the one gear. I have the tailstock and cross slide cleaned up and ready to use. Next, I am going to disassemble the apron, do the normal cleaning and repairs as necessary........then on to the headstock. This has Babbitt bearings, and at first glance, it appears that the bearing shims are not there. Will know more when I get the bearing caps off. The holidays have put a damper on my work on this, but there is no pressing timeline. I hope to get some pictures soon.
 
a little update on the Large and Shapely :wink:
I found the same lathe out in Colorado that was basically a parts machine. I purchased a 12" 3 jaw chuck and the taper attachment from the parts lathe. All good. I also just purchased the complete headstock (with all the gears, including the one I need), plus the full apron assembly, the threading gear box, and lastly the legs. My intent was to use the best parts from both lathes to make 1 good one (plus having some spare parts). I have started to clean up all the tooling and parts, and so far, I am really pleased with the condition of what I have cleaned up so far. what I am not looking forward to is buying a CXA or larger quick change tool holder (ouch!). I am hoping by March or April to make my first chips. I'll try to get some pictures posted over the next 1-2 days

I am really excited to get this old girl running. I love to resurrect and use old machinery! Old School I believe is the term!
 
This was not uncommon back not too many years ago. I recall my dad talking about taking old 4A Warner Swasays and using one for a parts machine to keep the others running or rebuild one from two machines. At one time they got so cheap to buy from Government auctions, this is how they did it. They did it to Lodge & Shipley's and certain LeBlonde lathes too.
 
A 6" vise is overkill for a RF45 style mill. A 4" is more appropiate for that size mill & IMO 5" max. I have a 5" GMT vise on my PM45 & it's slightly too big. Not enough Y axis travel to make use of the 5" full capacity. Better to save your money rather than getting something too big & most importantly the weight. I take my vise of the table quite often, a 6" is still light enough for me to be carried by hand but I'm glad I have a 5". I also have a 4" vise as well. I prefer the 5" though.

But those GMT 6" Premium vises are pretty nice. I'd love to have one but don't need one on my current mill. But if you plan on upgrading to a full size knee mill in the future than the 6" will be perfect.


Here's what the 5" looks like on my mill.
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I couldn't even complete this cut without my bellows & DRO scale getting in the way. Not enough Y travel & the 5" vise is not even maxed out.
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Here's what a 6" vise looks like on another PM45 (gt40's)
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Well, I have made the decision that the Large and Shapely is goona get a full facelift. Yes, high pressure steam clean right down to the bare metal. Then, a right proper coat of machine gray, with black highlights on the lettering. Polished brass badges, and gloss black wheels and handles. Here is the first installment:

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A wee bit closer:

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A little hard to tell, but the " L&S" on the handwheel stands out nicely in person. This is gloss black power coat. I'll paint the main part of the lathe, but I felt that powder coat was a more durable finish for the hand wheels and levers.
 
I wasn't going to say anything, but I was kinda hoping you'd go all out, considering what an excellent machine a well-kept Large and Shapely is. The handwheels look like a million bucks ( and I'm envious your lathe still has frosting; my Mulliner Enlund is, well, defrosted.
-James Huston
 
The holidays have put a damper on my work on this, but there is no pressing timeline. I hope to get some pictures soon.
I'm grinning, true signs of addiction. It's good to see you lasted through the holidays (or did you) and managed to continue the restoration.

Every time a read an article on an old Lodge & Shipley I spend another hour looking for the S/N. Most of the articles I have read say the S/N's were stamped on the web of the ways at the tailstock end. No luck so far but I will keep looking. My father-in-law just told me it was turn of the century and I haven't spent much time looking until recently.

It was good that you found a lathe that was being parted out.
 
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I couldn't open the original photo's. I'm intrested in seeing what the drive train mod stacked on top looks like. My lathe has a bed length of 6' and I'll guess it's a 14" X 30+ depending how a person measures. I've read that L&S opened up the web between the ways to allow the tailstock to be pushed out farther than the bed to get a little more stretch. It has a 1 HP Wagner Electric 110/220 that still works great. I'm either going about measuring the wear on the ways the wrong way or the lathe is in better condition than me.
 
Well guys, I started into the old girl again. Today, she got a 200 degree pressure washer bath. Found a couple of interesting things. First, her serial number is 2841, which according to Vintage Machinery website chart is 1901. Next, she appears to have come from the factory painted black, with white highlights on the lettering. interesting. I also cleaned up the ways, and the old girl has seen some crashes in her life, but overall, the ways don't look too bad. For what I do, keeping around +/- 0.002 - 0.003 is plenty close enough. I am going to try to get a coat of paint on the main body before the weekend is over. Pics soon.
 
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